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Who is Tobi ???
 
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:23 AM
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I guess i'll start the first conversation

There are alot of theories and assumptions to who the mysterious Tobi really is many say its Madara Uchiha (who kishi wants us to believe) many more say its Obito (The uchiha long considered dead) and Izuna Uchiha (Madara Uchiha's Brother).

What's your take on it?
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Old 06-30-2010, 01:55 AM
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well hi all and hi Zuibi! lol wow is like starting again from zero lol so i will start with my old theory of Tobi/Obito! and sorry in advance cuz is a long one theory .

first of all...

1- Obito was a proud uchiha the uchihas where everything for him... here..

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/239/10/

2- When Obito awaken his sharingan for the first time he was alrdy skillfull with them... he could tell that Rin was in a Genjutsu...
http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/243/05/

3- In Dragon Ball when Goku get all beaten up his Sayan Power tutn off and His hair get black again... in naruto is the same with the uchihas...
when an uchiha dont have any chakra left or is dying his eyes turn off but in Obito's case his eyes was on all the time a big rock fall on him but he never turn off his sharingan...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/243/16/

4- Obito lost his right arm we could hear him say to Rin and Kakashi that he doesnt feel anymore his right side.

5- Kakashi's MS who is actually from obito have Kamui and Tobi was inmmune to Kamui and also his Time space Jutsu is an advance variation of Kamui.

now i will compared in what those 5 details and proof can link to Tobi...

1- Tobi wan't to get rid of konoha no matter what since konoha was behind the masacre of the uchiha and Kakashi left Rin to die..."this work as his motive in doing this... remember that nagato was a avery good kid and look how he grow up... he became pain! for the dead of yahiko also Obito alrdy told kakashi his "future" plans right here...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/241/19/

2- when sasuke awaken his sharingan he wasnt skillfull like Obito was...he couldn't see very well haku's speed but in Obito's case he could see that rin was in genjutsu and also how fast the enemy was...
as u can see obito wasn't some normal ninja or better say "Uchiha"

3- Tobi always have his sharingan on "no matter what" just like Obito when he was under that rock... his sharingan never turn off... just like Tobi's sharingan that never turn off"

4- Tobi dont have his right arm, as we saw in chapter "Fist" we could see that Zetsu was the one who Regenerate tobi's right arm with his "Zetsu's Nest" i call it nest cuz is in Tobi's hide out and is like some kind of slimy stuff.

5- well like i told before and is not hard to notice, tobi's time space jutsu is just like kamui from kakashi "Obito"

now for more facts and more proof.

1- every time Tobi encounter kakashi his glare is not a friendly one... like this...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/395/17/

and this other one...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/463/12/

2- Kakashi MS is the kamui who send ppl and others things to a dimension, Tobi Time space Jutsu work the same way but more advance cuz he make his sensei jutsu but in his own way like naruto do..
if u notice Kakashi say this...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/395/10/

he use the same jutsu that Yondy's do but he made it in his own way he just got the "Idea" he didn't copy it cuz it cannot be copy... just like when naruto ask Kakashi how the hell he could look to the right and left at the same time "kakashi give him and (Idea) in how to do it" and so Naruto got his own method,
and so Obito did the same thing he make his own method.

in case no one understand i will explain.

-Kamui+Flash Steep: Kumai the ability to make a portal, is same in both Kakashi and Tobi.. they just used it for different purpose.. and this is a special ability of the Obito's eye.. its not the ninjutsu or gentusu ability of Sharingan, so this concludes that Tobi is using Obito's eye Mixing his Sensei Flash Steep jutsu since he was there when Minato did the jutsu Obito have the idea alrdy.

3- the old one... Tobi dont have his left eye and Obito give kakashi his left eye..."wow this one is the most basic of all lol"

4- Tobi alrdy knew Kakashi's chidori "in true almost everyone know of it like reikage but i want to post it anyway" Obito's eye complete chidori so Tobi knowing about chidori is not surprise... what i mean is that Obito did know chidori as well since he witness it.

5- Obito's MS have the white middle... and here is Tobi showing his MS with the white Middle...but first Obito's MS with white middle...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/424/16/

and now tobi's MS...

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/478/06/

i think i forgot some other stuff but as soon i remember i will post them as well thanks!

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Old 06-30-2010, 02:15 AM
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ok is me again

i will tell now why i think Tobi is another person and no the Masked man who attack 16 years ago.

first of all Minato told naruto that the one who attack 16 years ago was a man with a "mask" and since Naruto only have saw "one man with mask" the first thing that is going through his mind will be "Tobi"

but Naruto dont know that there is "another" mask around... yes the masked man who talk to itachi and here i go:

1- the Masked man have the same Hair that Uchiha Madara got and Tobi dont have the same hair.

http://www.onemanga.com/Naruto/400/09/

2- in the same Link u can see that the Masked man Use a sword a "Katana" just like Madara use in the past as well and Tobi doesnt use any weapon so far.

3- as u could see in the Link the masked man is showing his "Right Arm" in the open... is a normal arm that he is not afraid to "hide" and we see how Tobi Hide his entired body including his right arm cuz is made of Zetsu so he canot show it to others... that why he could survive Amaterasu.

my point is simple:

the Masked Man who Attack 16 years ago was the true Uchiha Madara and the Present Masked man "Tobi" is Obito following Madara's Will.

that why Itachi told sasuke that Uchiha madara is an Immortal Uchiha... but in true tobi can die so he is not immortal so what itachi mean?.... easy just like Tobi told Naruto that in his eyes he see the first Hokage in Naruto, that the First Hokage is dead but that to tobi he do Live in Naruto is the same that Itachi told sasuke... to Itachi Madara Live in tobi that why he say that his EMS and that Madara is Immortal cuz Tobi/Obito is following Madara's will and something that i forgot... Tobi do have the EMS but in his left Eye.

anyway thanks again!

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Old 06-30-2010, 02:47 AM
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Hey Orlie

Yeah, i've already seen that first theory you posted
Now, i also believe obito has a reason for doing all this (if tobi really is obito) because for one Kishi hasn't revealed to us why and how Rin died, that could be the reason as to why Tobi is on the wrong side.

WoW, this is another great theory orlie about the 2 Tobi's

But i was wondering, what if Tobi (madara) decided to cut off his hair thinking maybe he wanted a new look for himself lol :-)

But i am with the second theory as well, makes good sense to me.
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:01 AM
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Hello Zubi

i tho about the hair stuff but remember that is very rare to change one character identity /personality... in the 95% of anime u see that X character with the same hair, clothes is very rare they change just like sasuke's hair... he never chage it naruto is the same, Jiraiya too Minato as well, Itachi ect ect...

in sakura's case it was in the "Begining" so is not a problem to the story... she want to be usefull so she cut her hair... Ino too but as u can see now she have her old hair style back again.

that why i believe that tobi is not madara and the masked man from 16 years ago was the true madara

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Hello Zubi

i tho about the hair stuff but remember that is very rare to change one character identity /personality... in the 95% of anime u see that X character with the same hair, clothes is very rare they change just like sasuke's hair... he never chage it naruto is the same, Jiraiya too Minato as well, Itachi ect ect...

in sakura's case it was in the "Begining" so is not a problem to the story... she want to be usefull so she cut his hair... Ino too but as u can see now she have her old hair style back again.

that why i believe that tobi is not madara and the masked man from 16 years ago was the true madara
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Old 06-30-2010, 06:24 AM
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lol, just wondering but maybe in chapter 500 maybe we will find out Tobi's Identity ?
* (still waiting for the spoilers to pop in).
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:30 PM
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"the Masked Man who Attack 16 years ago was the true Uchiha Madara "

i have a problem with this statement... we always concluded that Uchiha Madara is to old to be Tobi.. and the masked man that attacked 16 years ago is not as old as Uchiha Madara would be either in my point of view... lets say when he fought Shodaime he was around 50 years old and Tsunade at that time was 10 years old(using reference from the flashback) now Tsunade is around 50 years old herself so that would make Madara about 100 years old approx... minus Naruto age from this we get a figure of Madara's age at 85 something, at the time of the Kyuubi attack on Konoha... but having to look at this guy in MASK he seems to be very young and fit to have taught Itachi... (let me know what you think about this...)

and also you saidd in ur theory that...

"When Obito awaken his sharingan for the first time he was alrdy skillfull with them... "

that is not true... at all, im my point of view obito only noted that there was something wrong with her chakra, it was Kakashi that really knew what had happened to Rin...
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Old 06-30-2010, 03:45 PM
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I just noticed that, yeah kakashi did figure out that Rin was under a genjutsu.

But still obito showed skills while fighting that ninja as soon as his sharingan awakened.

anyways, i was thinking could it be that madara uchiha had a son or grandson because it has been shown that 1st hokage had heirs (son + grandchildren) but nothing about Madara's he should have left someone behind him to carry out his legacy, and that might be tobi?
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http://www.narutoverse.org/Naruto/500/14/

Masked man doing a ''phasing through objects'' like the current Tobi.

Now this doesnt mean he has to be the current Tobi, this jutsu is maybe not only related to him, however Kishi seems to put lot of emphasis on this happening, the mystery of Tobi continues .
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